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Bullet Therapist
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:47:00 -
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I agree with the OP here that CBCs are in kind of a hard spot.
I saw a few people mention that the low popularity of CBCs is due to fleet composition considerations but I don't know if I really buy that as the reason for their waning popularity right now. I've been in a number of mixed fleet compositions recently with the DPS wings being made up of either eagles and feroxs or cerbs and drakes. In my experience the problem with CBCs in relation to HACs is that their sig radius and speed tend to make them relatively easy to take off the field compared to their HAC counterparts. As a result they get primaried early. Feroxes and drakes do have an EHP advantage over cruisers but it's outpaced by their signature inflation and slow speed- applied DPS against them is just too high for their EHP to compensate.
It's not really that different from what battleships face in fleet battles. Every time I've gone up against a battleship fleet lately with HACs or T3s, the battleship's DPS and EHP advantage just can't compete with sig and speed tank. It's similar on the small scale in PVP too, CBCs are very vulnerable to being blobbed and are too slow to get into position in fast paced fights.
I like what the recent balance changes have done for cruiser sized and smaller ships. They're fun and combat with them is fast paced and exciting. They're also cheap and easy for new players to skill in to. Most frigates, destroyers, and cruisers seem to have a role that they fill well and are, for the most part, well represented in the areas they excel. That's perfect- it's how it should be, but CBCs and battleships should be represented too. They're still used in small numbers, but all but a few aren't the optimal choice and as players train new skills to move towards optimal ships they're just going to get less and less popular. |
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:32:00 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:Quote: Maybe heavily bonusing AB effect to reflect the huge amount of space assigned over to engines would help CBC utility (without giving them a sig the size of a small moon ;) ) OH bonus would apply to prop modules as well. As an example my cyclone goes around 500m/s with AB and 2k m/s with OH mwd.With OH bonus, you would be pretty close to doubling it. Temporarily anyway. That would give you options to outrun what you cant outgun.
I agree that having an OH bonus would be a fresh way of improving CBCs without having to straight up buff their base stats. Overheating is a fun mechanic but it isn't something that CCP has developed as thoroughly as I would like. A change of this kind to CBCs might be an interesting way of introducing a few new overheat mechanics and modules as well. We'll see.
I'm still skeptical that CBCs and battleships will be changed soon though. CCP does seem to be aware at least that battleships, while they might be well balanced against each other, aren't particularly well balanced towards other subcaps or capitals. They don't, however, seem to really have a cohesive plan as to what to do about it. The recent nestor changes are a good indication that they don't really have a good plan for what even a niche battleship ought to be. I think they've dug in their heels around the idea of power-creep and probably want to try to balance less linearly, but at least in the case of the nestor, it just doesn't work. |
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:58:00 -
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The only thing recently that I've seen from CCP was part of the Ishtar-HAC rebalance thread, where they mentioned that they feel that battleships were 'in a pretty good place.' Later in the thread CCP Rise commented that this statement was a reflection of how battleships were balanced against each other rather than other classes. I don't recall anything being posted about CBCs after the MMJD was introduced. |
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